What Lives Matter?

Eric speaks with author, pastor, and humanitarian Rudy Rasmus about baptizing Beyonce, pledging allegiance to the flag, and being Black and Christian in Trump's America. With a potent blend of grace and brutal honesty, Rudy reminds Eric of his responsibility to speak out about racism and white supremacy - a reminder that we all need to hear.

“If those evangelicals who are so concerned about someone acknowledging an anthem that was penned in the midst of the slave trade, if they were equally concerned about the unmitigated incarceration of millions black men, if they were equally concerned with the unexplained deaths of that same demographic at the hands of those that were sworn in to protect, if they were equally concerned about the American education system that is still separately and savagely unequal, if they were equally concerned about equality in every sense of the word, then maybe someone would give a damn about if churches survived.”
-Rudy Rasmus


Rudy Rasmus co-pastors the St. John’s Church in Downtown Houston with his wife Juanita and is the author of Love. Period.: When All Else Fails. For more about Rudy, check out his website.

A raw and honest conversation with Beyonce’s pastor Rudy Rasmus on race and the church.